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Re: Alternative slicer to the cubes standard software
« Reply #15 on: January 17, 2015, 11:56:15 am »
I have added the setting for KISSlicer without CubeitMod in the same post @ Kisslicertalk.
http://www.kisslicertalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=353

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Re: Alternative slicer to the cubes standard software
« Reply #16 on: January 17, 2015, 12:59:09 pm »
Can you post both .ini ? I'm now typing the entry' s into the windows off kisslicer, but an .ini would  save some work....

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Re: Alternative slicer to the cubes standard software
« Reply #17 on: January 17, 2015, 01:08:42 pm »
Make sure you unload the language .po file when setting up without Cubeitmod
With the CubeitMod I just customized PLA Thickness 0.2 Style but did not give it a custom name
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Re: Alternative slicer to the cubes standard software
« Reply #18 on: January 18, 2015, 02:14:53 am »
Just finished the first test print without the CubeitMod. It's my 'pièce de résistance' , the item I use to test the bulk filament. So these are my first results

This is what I did:
- Use the .ini without the CubeitMod
- Selected the Cube device in Kisslicer
- Selected the Matterhackers filament (don' t know if nescecarry)
- Imported my .stl
- did some small adjustments (infil to 12.5%)
- Let kisslicer do its magic and save the .bfb file
- Used Codex64 to convert it into Cube dialect
- renamed the file and put it on a USB stick

Started the Cube, and selected the file printfile
and behold, it worked! It's not just working, the way kisslicer works is realy a benefit (at least with my filament).
The cube slicer is always filling vertical or horizontal, and filling every gap in a horizontal or vertical path. Kisslicer (at least with my current project) is filling diagonally, and is filling each area seperatly. So no overspill or threads (don't know the correct word for it, but those thin fillament threads that sometimes occur)

The only thing I have to investigate further is something Bobo said, and it seems to affect me to. The first layer is somewhat strange. It' s like an outer circle around the object with a .2 mm gap. So you have a small rimm on the bottom of the object.

So a big thanks to Bobo for his work on this. Never tought it would be this easy ;-) I will report back after I have experimented some more....

Chris.



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Re: Alternative slicer to the cubes standard software
« Reply #19 on: January 18, 2015, 08:35:11 am »
Chris, I am glad you are succeeding with the prints! Mattherhackers is the brand of filament that I prefer and use for all of my printers. You will need to customize the material section to your particular filament. Make sure to measure (use a caliper) your own filament and find out what temperatures the company recommends for the particular material.
The 1-mm rim on the bottom is called the brim and i purposefully added it to the print for better adhesion. To take it off just un-click brim or change just change the brim diameter.  Its in the support section.
My issue is more of an of over extrusion, and i think it only effects the solid infills.
I'll send you some pics tomorrow when i get into my studio.

« Last Edit: January 18, 2015, 09:02:19 am by bobobobicsek »

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Re: Alternative slicer to the cubes standard software
« Reply #20 on: January 18, 2015, 10:15:37 am »
Well, you are completely right, and I found out this afternoon. Just have to get into Kisslicer. I also adjusted the thicknes off my PLA. The first run with CubeitMod enabled, the flow was too low, and I am now in the middle of a retry. I have included a picture off the initial layer with infill of my testprint (without the cubeitmod).

I normally use a little water to reuse the existing cubestick layer and smooth it using a disposable knive blade. It's not perfect, but I don't see the problem you are having (I think ;-)

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Re: Alternative slicer to the cubes standard software
« Reply #21 on: January 18, 2015, 10:20:29 am »
I am glad you are getting into KISSlicer.  I am also working on figuring out simplify3d to work with cube but that will take some more time.  ☺

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Re: Alternative slicer to the cubes standard software
« Reply #22 on: January 18, 2015, 10:25:54 am »
About cubeitmod.  Its a littlebit trickier.  When you load the language file .po, the material section's the parameters change.  Theoretically with cubeitmod you control the flow with the changed / added parameters.  Solid% and Infill % and the flow tweak.  I have played around with those.  Also in the extruder section maybe the gain should go up to 0.035 since you and i have been getting good results
with 0.03 flow tweak without cubeitmod... then off course the flow tweaks would have to come down to around 1.
I have not tested changing the extruder gain yet from 0.0225....
Your prints are getting there  :) , I am glad I am not working alone anymore to get this properly working with KISSlicer.
Let me know what you find with playing around with Solid% and Infill % and flow tweak.
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Re: Alternative slicer to the cubes standard software
« Reply #23 on: January 18, 2015, 10:38:46 am »
Exactly. Those are the molten waves (on your picture they look like honeycombs, those lines should be straight in the solid infill) that I am getting on First layer without cubeitmod!!! First I thought the z-axis offset was the problem that I set it to -.25 (too squished), but if you change that to 0, the gap is huge on the first layer.
First layer is not an issue with cubeitmod and you should set the z-axis offset back to 0.

« Last Edit: January 18, 2015, 11:07:26 am by bobobobicsek »

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Re: Alternative slicer to the cubes standard software
« Reply #24 on: January 18, 2015, 02:41:05 pm »
There are so many parameters that can influence the behavior, and testing takes time. So there is a need for more testers (at least we have two now ;-). I will create a couple of test designs that address some problem/difference areas. So far (and only based on two quite extensive prints) I have found the following behavior:

With CubeitMod
Arcs (dome) are detailed (smooth)
First infills are better
More threading (bad)
flow seems low, and have to find out what to change to increase (but thanks to Bobo have a starting point)

Without CubitMod
Top layers of objects are coarse (especially domes and arcs)
Sides are smooth
Almost no threading (good)
Infills are better

At this stage I will try to get the parameters with CubitMod optimal. At the moment it seems to have the most going for it....

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Re: Alternative slicer to the cubes standard software
« Reply #25 on: January 18, 2015, 04:02:45 pm »
Thank you Chris for this extensive testing this weekend! I will be back printing more this week with the Cube. I agree, the CubeitMod has more potential.
The more threading / horizontal lines cloud be from too much infill pushing out toward the outer layers. But the bigger problem is that it might come from acceleration issues, which cannot be controlled in the cube. I am not even sure if acceleration is enabled in the Cube's firmware.  Decreasing speed could help those lines.
It does seem to be harder to get the proper filament flow with CubeitMod, but further test will hopefully clear up these issues. Chris, did you end up changing the extruder gain in the hardware section from .0225 to .03? I will try to adjust those, maybe it will help with the flow.
My one major problem has been with one section of the stress / torture test. It is with the small columns!
I am attaching the stress test .stl file for you Chris, just to see if you run into similar issues. With the columns, it is skipping layers and there is major corner ringing on the outer walls.
Thanks again for testing

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Re: Alternative slicer to the cubes standard software
« Reply #26 on: January 18, 2015, 04:08:14 pm »
Here is the torture test again, but this .stl file has been modified. I cut away all the parts except the problematic columns.

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Re: Alternative slicer to the cubes standard software
« Reply #27 on: January 20, 2015, 02:41:08 pm »
The finished torture test is the one without cubeitmod.  The unfinished one is with cubeitmod.  I am not liking what i am seeing with cubeitmod.  The columns are just not working.  Cannot handle small details...


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Re: Alternative slicer to the cubes standard software
« Reply #28 on: January 20, 2015, 07:34:02 pm »
I try to use this but the extruder head doesnt seem to get no where near as hot as i set it and wont print with my filament.

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Re: Alternative slicer to the cubes standard software
« Reply #29 on: January 21, 2015, 11:17:48 am »
Just finished my second test print. Now in te middle of third test print. In the picture you can see the massive amount of threading when using cubitmod. But no squishing on first layer. On the slopes of the model the cubitmod is smoother, but not much. The cubify slicer does a better job on this  >:(.

The first picture shows the diffrence between both prints, the top one is with cubeitmod. The second picture shows some more deteil on the treading and the course surface on top.

I will try the torture test tommorrow.